Did you pay for your plot by credit card?
1. Successbelly03/03/2007 02:34:08
Hope...
Just when I had given up all hope there seems to be a ray of light. If I can recover anything it will be a blessing -- all help appreciated. However, being new to the investment game -- never had surplus cash before, I just can't believe that it is so easy to scam, make a huge profit, face no reprecussions and be trading again in no time at all. I've always been taught to work hard and be honest but company law and legal loopholes suggest that life on the other side is easier and more lucrative -- surely this can't be right? Someone has to be accountable for robbing 100's of people!! 
All duped investors you can either sit back, wait & continue these logs, which will probably get us no where, or take some action. I'm up for a fight!!! Anyone willing to join me?
2. Help needed03/03/2007 15:06:08
I had bought a plot from Propertyspy about 6 months ago. I paid the Deposit using American Express Credit card. The remining money was paid through solocitor by cheque which was send to them. Please can anybody advise if Propertyspy is also involved. I have tried contacting them but no response. Their wedsite is also closed. Any help will be appreciated.
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4. Dickie06/03/2007 16:06:09
Anyone any news on Hambrook and Greenstock. I know they are subject of a DTI enquiry, but I also found a Swiss website saying they have now gone into liquidation. No-one is answering the phones. I paid deposits for my plots with Credit Card, but I am not sure they were operating an CIS nor being investigated by the FSA? Any advice welcome, but I guess my cash is gone...:
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5. Harry06/03/2007 23:56:25
Please help, I too bought a plot through Property Spy 3 years ago in Ewell, Epsom, Surrey. Got a letter last week about them cancelling their 'Value Plus Service' and the cheek - 'good luck or the future'.
6. kiran patel09/03/2007 11:05:36
I
bought a plot from Propertyspy a couple of years ago, i will have trace my
steps back on how i made the full pruchase, but definately sure it was not
by credit card. Money was paid in full from my bank account.
I am a little worried that porpertyspy were a scam ... CAn anyone help
or advise ?
7. comment posted by [removed]09/03/2007 12:55:09
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8. Harry U09/03/2007 19:58:37
Comment to 'OnceBitten' - I think your right if every plot owner around the country got together on this site: 1. We could help the FSA get these roguse and 2. We could still come out of this successfully if we all stick together collectively and with our immediate plot owners in our designated areas to form our own groups to maintain our land and even submit planning applications collectively to the council in the future if we treat these 'investments' as long term goals. The plots are only useless if we dont stick together.
9. Successbelly10/03/2007 01:35:14
OnceBitten & Harry U your comments are like music to my ears. How do we get this started -- I'm no web expert but we need to initially construct simple lists - site/plot number/investment level/contact details but it will need to advertised but secure. Any ideas welcome -- I'm willing to help in anyway possible.
10. Samantha Corneyy10/03/2007 20:23:04
I am absolutely disgusted to read up about Property Spy. We bought 2 plots from them in Dunton Green about 3-4 years ago and we have not received any news to say that they have ceased, even the communication has been very poor over the last year since we tried reselling them. As I used my bank account I am obviously stuck but I am not prepared to leave this without a fight as we paid a huge amount. All for one and one for all sounds good and you can count us in. Let us know what to do next.
11. comment posted by [removed]11/03/2007 14:22:57
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12. Harry U11/03/2007 21:43:11
Aman Mia - I phoned Kidd Rapinet in Aylesbury a few days ago and the woman I spoke to said that the FSA were investigating PS and won't know the outcome for a couple of weeks and for me to phone back then for any more info.
13. Larry12/03/2007 20:44:32
I have been approached by a company called CountryWide Land Holdings. Bought 2 plot of lands which cost £16000. I suddenly felt really stupid having to trust the investors on the phone. I don't know what to do. Please help!
14. Anon13/03/2007 13:19:20
Larry,
I posted comment 75 in the 'Land banking and Collective investment' topic. Have a read, I think you stand a good chance of getting your money back if you act quickly. Word of advice, Countrywide never seem to answer the phones before 12:30 no matter how often you try. Their compliance officer/office manager is Simon Peters and their MD is James Maynard. Don't back down if they say no. Threaten legal action and let them know you will go to FSA and DTI if you do not get your money back, and keep calling them, they never call back. Good luck!
15. comment posted by [removed]14/03/2007 13:11:00
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16. Simon Kennett14/03/2007 14:37:00
I bought a couple of plots through PropertySpy over 1 year ago. All looked
above board...but now it all looks mighty dodgy. You just cannot trust
ANYONE on the web, period!
I did indeed pay my deposit via credit
card so if I can recover that it would be great. Please send me further
details.
Many thanks.
Simon.
17. Thomas Wilson14/03/2007 15:45:45
Homepage: http://www.muselive.com
I purchased two plots of land at Sible Hedingham through Hambrook & Greenstock. They seemed a very reputable company, with advertising in EasyJet, Chelsea FC and The Ryder Cup, as well as legitimate attendance at many investor shows.
I can now no longer contact them on their phone number (http://www.hambrookandgreenstock.com) and they are no longer accepting individual plot buyers, apparently. Some people have reported being told they are under investigation, but I am yet to hear about this.
Please could someone shed some light on what's going on here - am I entitled to any kind of refund? Please, please help me out :)
Tom
18. Harry U14/03/2007 23:18:02
To everyone, all I can say this is an unbelievable MULTI-MILLION POUND FRAUD on an uninmaginable scale right in the public eye, and I just can't believe that the government bodies didn't know what was going on until now, the solicitor Paul who's name is on this website told me he informed the fraud squad 2 years ago! As far as I'm concerned we should get our monies back in full AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HELP US.
19. Jenny15/03/2007 15:09:18
Dear all,
I have joined a lot of websites, and one of them is the MSN site which leads on to all sorts, and I have just received the message below and thought somebody out there might be interested to read it, I have squashed it up a bit so it doesn't take up so much space:
Dear Investor
Land banking gives you a VERY low risk and potentially VERY high return investment opportunity! How?
It's simple... and obvious when you think about it. Land is the real value increase behind property prices and in the last two decades it has risen on average by 20% annually.* So land is a safe, secure way to invest your capital.
Buying land before it has planning permission means you have the chance to benefit from explosive overnight growth, once that permission is obtained the value of your investment can skyrocket, typically by around 800%.*
The market for land banking has never been better, with the government and opposition relaxing the protections on green belt, and implementing housing developments on an unprecedented scale: they need more land!
CLS specialises in securing you low risk land investments which are in line to
receive planning permissions. Take a look at our website now, call us on
Freephone 0800 0121 524 , or email us.
Thanks for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.
Crown Land Securities
PS: Remember to register free on our website here and be entered into our free prize draw to win £10,000 of land!!
* Source: BBC News, bbc.co.uk (22nd February 2003)
20. P Kaul16/03/2007 14:26:12
I got sucked into this game by Rubicon as well. Surely Kidd Rapinnet the solicitors should have warned the unsuspecting buyers. It's all very disgusting. I had paid a holding fee by credit card but majority of the money was paid by BACS to Kidd Rappinet. Is it possibel to get a refund of that?????
21. Aman mia16/03/2007 20:53:42
RE:comment 20 P Kaul.
"Surely Kidd Rapinet the solicitors should have warned the unsuspecting buyers" YOUR DAMN RIGHT THERE (You'v got valid point).... thats what we pay them for.
I don't know anything about getting refund from the seller that's what I want do.
But in your case you can go and speak to The Law Society complaint department. Law society telephone is 0207 2421222.
In meantime get your evidence together and get legal help and ask for compensation for inadequate service. You will get compensated if your argument is valid ...i think compensation is about upto 15k(?) from the solicitors regulation authority.
Anyway was your solicitor Kidd rapinet in aylesbury if they were because they also were acting for Rubicon Estate.
Don't give up.... get your money back
22. aky17/03/2007 19:30:05
i have just stumbled across this whole fraud thing and i stil am not clear as to wot is going on!!! i purchased a plt from hambrook and greenstock a few months ago - does this mean my money is gone?! 
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24. PropertySCAM17/03/2007 22:59:42
We are truly sorry to hear about your plight. Some answers:
1. Assuming you have title deeds, you do own the land. You can sell anything you own - your problem might be finding a buyer.
2. If it can be shown that the sale of the land to you was illegal (an unauthorised collective investment), then you have a statutory right to a refund plus compensation for consequent losses - if you can find the right party to sue. You might also consider contacting the Law Society to make a formal complaint to them if you feel that the legal services sold to you might have been at fault.
3. Confirm your email address and we'll try to put you in touch with someone who may be able to offer further suggestions.
25. comment posted by [removed]18/03/2007 00:17:53
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26. Mr T18/03/2007 11:12:33
Dear PropertySCAM,
I am in a similar situation to posters 23 & 25.
I'd be grateful if PropertySCAM can fwd me the details as offered in point 3. in post 24, (mail address provided).
Thanks
27. comment posted by [removed]18/03/2007 11:26:10
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28. KAA21/03/2007 01:05:47
I bought plot form hambrook and greenstock 7 months ago with promise that they will resale it for me whenever i need. But when i start approaching them for resale for last couple of weeks they do not recieve calls or reply for emails. I am in desperate need of money and want to ssale my land as soon as poosible but it seems that my money gone. Any body know anything to get my money back???.
29. mick 22/03/2007 01:39:40
i also seem to have lost money invested with hambrook&greenstock, who are a swiss company, does anyone know how the swiss authorities might deal with one of thier companies in this situation.
30. K A22/03/2007 10:35:56
There is a line appear on the Hambrook and greenstock Website just below the title " The products of hambrook and Greenstock are no longer available for purchase by UK residents individuals.Any body have news about them. All victims of land fraud (we all) should make a a combined effort to get our money back.....I think thats the only way i could get atleast a hope to get our hard earn money back.....
31. Michael22/03/2007 19:03:11
I too have bought through HAMBROOK AND GREENSTOCK, I have also tried to contact them, no reply, I think all of us together stand a better chance of getting something done about this, if we all try to get information on this and post it on this site to help each other. Regards Michael
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34. Vick Kapil23/03/2007 06:52:55
Has anyone heard of Asset Land Investments Plc, Mayfair London. I have been
talking to them for the past 1 year and they have been trying to sell a
freehold plot in SOuth Godstonenext to A22.
Has anyone heard of them? Are they one of these scams like PropSpy and
others? Any help and information would be useful.
thanks, vick
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37. Thomas Wilson25/03/2007 16:43:50
Homepage: http://www.muselive.com
If anyone has been had by Hambrook & Greenstock, please contact me (t_wilson@mailbolt.com) and hopefully we can form some kind of effort to regain some of our lost moneys.
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40. Richard 26/03/2007 22:04:46
Ref 39
Thanks for your comments, thought I was the only one feeling that way.
Please can you let me know how the outcome went with the law society if
need be count me on board as I am looking into it to see what can be done.
I will certainly go to them as well , the more the merrier.
Has anyone got anymore feedback on Property Spy as surely another week
has gone by since the last time we were told they should be up and running
in a week?
I will not let this go - I paid almost 30k for my 2 plots, money I am
not prepared to wash down the drain, someone has to be acountable for it,
especially when you are meant to trust your solicitor and believe that they
are working on your best interest...
41. Hambrook27/03/2007 11:49:08
I have bought many plots from Hambrooke & Greenstock (deposits by credit card). The company are now liquidated .
I have already responded in an FSA form to the FSA .
Some plots are owned by me but cannot be registered by the Liecter Land Registry so I cant do anything with them (£60 k worth). The company has folded (probably due to FSA fine) and so I have nobody to contact.
Please contact me asap.
42. Hambrook27/03/2007 14:47:31
Contact me tif you bought plots through HAMBROOK & GREENSTOCK (H&G) or know anything about them
[email address removed]
We need a
- list of clients
- cantact for liquidators
- legal advice
43. Gill H28/03/2007 13:18:37
I purchased with my partner 1 plot nr Manchester Airport (Nov 04). We knew it was a risk and that planning permmission might never be granted, but like everybody else it was affordable at a push with the possibility of a good return. I viewed this as part of my pension fund!! big mistake alround. Doesnt seem to matter what you do these days to get a better pension. Any body else that bought in Styal Mcr lets keep in touch. I do remember on the day we purchased there was a syndicate who bought a few plots.
44. Martin C28/03/2007 16:03:38
Homepage: http://www.collingslaw.co.uk
I paid over money to Hambrook & Greenstock for a plot at Marlow Rd, Cutlers Farm, Bucks. I paid the deposit by credit card. As far as I know the purchase has not been registered at the Land Registry. I am going to contact [removed], as invited by him. However it seems to me we should press for 3 things: 1) registration of ownership; 2) possible action against the credit card company; and 3) why shouldn't the DTI split any fine received between us victims? I'm sure I'm grateful for them stepping in on our behalf, but if any available money has gone in fines, that's monstrous!
45. PAULINE McRORY28/03/2007 18:00:32
I also have been scammed with landbanking through the English Land Partnership who all of a sudden seem to be trading as London Land & Property Exchange Ltd. My husband and I invested a large amount of money into land in Tewkesbury over two years ago. We never received any contract or registration details and subsequently they apparently transferred our funds into a Weybridge project. We refused to sign any documents for this site and requested a refund of our money. There appears to be no chance of this happening. The two main people who seem to be involved with this are a Mr. Donnan and Mrt. Ian McCallum. Has anyone else had dealings with these rogues?
46. guru29/03/2007 12:24:40
Iam one of those victims of hambrook and greenstock.Iam really shocked to know its a scam.I invested huge amounts of money on the land in marlow which is not even registered yet.Iam in desperate need for help.any advice would be appreciated.
47. Ernestine29/03/2007 15:10:54
Another fool! Two plots at Sible Hedingham from H&G. On board for any collective action we might be able to take.
Ernestine
48. HAMBROOK29/03/2007 21:52:27
Guru - whats your email address
49. John & B-J29/03/2007 22:08:55
We have just found out about this and can't believe it. We are absolutely gutted. Invested £34K in 2 plots at Sible Hedingham and 2 at Marlow (not been able to register them either). We have never invested like this before. We are really in the dark if anyone can give us any information we would be really grateful, please e-mail bj.hull@blueyonder.co.uk.
50. prathap30/03/2007 14:35:55
hello everyone,
I'm one of the unfortunate lots. i have plot shared with my friend and bought 2 plots at marlow site. and being as convincing as anyone can be... i have convinced 3 of my friends to buy plots in the same place as i thought it was worthy of an investment if all had gone well as we were told. so my friends bought another 3 plots between them. in total 5 plots worth 50k from our group. i'm now feeling guilty of dragging my friends in to this scam... can't govt do anything??
and how can you cheat so many people and get away without any scratch???
i think these crooks should be chased down and beaten in public.;. atleast we can save others..
i am totally disappointed and disgusted of losing the carefully saved money.
i have also made the initial payment by credit card(holding advance) and please someone tell me if there is a way forward.
one of my friends is visiting FSA office in person at canary wharf to seek some guidance... fingers crossed.
but anytime i'm ready to fight...
51. Richard30/03/2007 20:42:21
Can anyone tell me whether they have any news about Property Spy? 2 weeks
now since we were told they will be up and running again but they are not.
Reading the comments about the land banking places being shut down is
really scary and I would like to do something before they get shut down.
Surely we cannot leave this lying down...
52. Thomas30/03/2007 23:20:14
Around mid jan07 property spy told me they will be up and running in 2
weeks time and that was over 8 weeks ago and still down.
The excuse
they used that restratagising
Just get to the point with
the
solicitor rapenet... they will provide the excuse for them.
53. kiran31/03/2007 19:09:01
I am another mug that bought from propertyspy.... What can we do to fight
this, I am willing to help and fight our case.. Something needs to be done
about this, as i am sure we have invetested a lot of money and will end up
with notihng if propertyspy get away with thier scam.
feel free to contact me kiran@anita74.wanadoo.co.uk.
I purchased land in Ewell, Surrey 3yrs ago,
It mitebe worth us contacting the FSA to find out more information on
what the outcome is going to be for properyspy..
54. david johnson01/04/2007 11:06:52
I bought a plot on sible around this time last year is there any chance of recovering a deposit from the credit card company after this length of time.
55. PropertySpiv02/04/2007 14:53:41
We need to start recording who owns what and where. There is a Google Group set up to start doing that - it can be accessed from a link on this site's home page. I am sure a solicitor will be more willing to attack companies such as Property Spy and bogus solicitors such as Kidd Rapinet if there is lots of evidence of their fraud. I will monitor the group and, if there's a lot of activity, I will create a website showing what has been identified and what is still missing.
56. lynn02/04/2007 19:33:10
we also bought land at sible hedingham anyd marlow and are absolutley gutted to find out this was sold to me knowing this was happening with the marlow sight, we would like to get in contact with anyone who can help we have lost so much money in just a few weeks
57. Fawwad Uddin03/04/2007 09:17:59
I purchased two plots at Sible and one more recently at Marlow all using my credit cards firstly to pay deposit and then the remaining balances. These were all done via the halifax credit cards. I would like help please.my family and me are both very worried. If you could get in touch asap it will be greatly appreciated.
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59. Will Smith03/04/2007 21:24:30
Ref. 58
The director/s of Property Spy can legally open another
Limited company because I suspect they have never been banned in a court of
law not to be directors in the UK.
You might not like it, but this
is English law.
60. Brian Wall03/04/2007 22:01:26
I have also purchase 2 plots at Sible Heddingham from Hambrook&greenstock I paid the deposit by visa and the balance also by visa which was the Halifax I purchased the 2nd plot after recieving detailed reports from land searches for Sible Heddingham and was informed byH&G that planing permission was imminent,this is tantamount to fraud,are the plots just worthless and unsaleable, and can I get my money back from the Halifax,can anyone help
61. Hambrook04/04/2007 12:52:04
If you used a credit card (not a debit card) for any part of your transaction then under the Consumer protection ACT of 1975 you can 'potentially' get your money back as there is joint liability between the card company and H&G.
The FSA have deemed H&G to be operating Illegally and between us we have evidence of misleading/misselling activity.
The trick is to get the Bank (probably via the ombudsman) to pay out.
** For this we need legal representation..
NOTE : H&G will be reading all these comments and acting appropriately..
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66. Val05/04/2007 13:30:50
Hi
Anyone anything further re. Hambrook and Greenstock? Must be a good number of investors (sorry investors) out there. Have joined the Google group on this issue but there doesn't seem to be many of us and not making much headway on a poc. have received emails from [removed] - useful - thanks [removed] for taking up the baton.
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68. Waleed Rizk05/04/2007 19:42:41
I bought a plot from Hambrook and Greenstock. I was lucky I did not give in to their very hard sell for the second plot, and I kept my money. I have emailed Ray above but no answer yet. I see a lot of comments on sad stories but what action can I take?
69. Mr H.A05/04/2007 22:40:08
To all Investors who bought land from Property Spy & used Kidd Rapinet
Solicitors:
As we know the PSpy website is up & running with
junk info!!! and as mentioned above their now trading from
Insitelandinvestment.com, which has exactly same web-page layout as PSpy
and landsaleuk-profit.co.uk website & ALMOST the same contents except
that they have taken out those misleading information that they had used to
fool us, ie pages we used to keep getting from all their site when we
searched Google for "Land Investment".
I myself bought land in
Hertfordshire area from PSpy and spoken to various authority and including
land valuation agents to find out my plot of land is only worth
£100.
I have hired a solicitor few weeks back he said there are two
options to consider, But in order to make the chance greater of recovering
money or doing something about it then it is worth sticking together in a
group.
****************************
The solicitor firm I went to
is Fisher Meredith, there very large & reputable company
http://www.fishermeredith.co.uk/practiceareas/
Mr
John Deane is the solicitor who deals with the situation that were in. So I
have gained his permission to give out his email address out, so if your in
my situation then it's defentely worth writing to him and explain your
situation.
*** John.Deane@fishermeredith.co.uk ***
I
actually went on with them after the free consultatation which probably
worth a bit since he actually explained the clauses step by
step.
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Also could someone please
tell me who are Berronstone Ltd?
Are they still in business or have they
been liquidated?
Has anyone got any update links on FSA/DTI info on land
bankers?
Is there any other website plot owner are registering? to find
out who owns plot and in which area.
70. HAMBROOK05/04/2007 23:41:00
WARNING : SCAMMERS are using this web link to contact individuals ..
Your best + Safest bet is to contact a solicitor to retrieve your money through credit card companies. The companies then pursue the Land banking scam company. The scammers are using this site to find out how far down the line investors are with this process so they know how long they have before they need to move on..
71. Mr H.A06/04/2007 00:57:26
Re: MY COMMENT 69 IS LEGIT
It's true do not publish any personel detail on this website as landbankers and solicitors in concerned are watching this website.
But we are in very complex situation, unless we gather in group there is slim chance of recovering what we lost.
Unless you paid all of your money by Credit Card then it's not worth contacting them now just to recover the deposit, which most likely to be about 1-2k on average. Company in concerned need to be found guilty in order for Credit Card company to give our money back.
I paid large amount by Bacs to solicitor which then got transferred to the Seller and that is what I want recover.
Anyway if you think about it, as yet we don't have any secure way of grouping or transfer information then why not all use a same solicitor who will join our matter together & pursue on what's needed to be done.
I literally made an appointment and went to see them face to face. This solicitor firm is based in london http://www.fishermeredith.co.uk/practiceareas/
If you don't go through the link or contact person that I have provided then go through there website or ask Law Society to provide solicitors detail
based around london that deal with "Contractual Law".
Iv learnt one thing from my mistake is to never trust anyone on the phone, unless I see them face to face.
Iv also learnt that their will be sellers posting bogus info on this site just to deter buyer to different route or to stop them acting right way, which will get them nowhere.
Also only reason I posted this coz comment on 27 & 38 are in same situation as me.
Lastly it's upto you the route you choose and anyway there thing knowing as MAC (which is PC address) and IP address (which tracks your internet connection) are both more better tracking someone then your PostCode as well as cookies which gets stored in web server.
72. Mr H.A06/04/2007 01:04:52
RE: comment 70.
YES I GET WHAT UR SAYING.
Iv checked the other post and I agree what HAMBROOK said. Don't contact anyone directly on their personnal email address, for all we know they could be another scammer trying to take our money.
Always contact them on their professional work email address (evidence on mail servers)
If you use a solicitor get the firm details from law society or other well known resources.
73. Val07/04/2007 22:36:26
Can you give me some advice on the credit card option please? I have left my email address. The reality of the situation is slowly sinking in. Shock, embarassment at being such a fool, but seems lots of us were. It's like swimming with sharks I guess - think I should have stuck to unexciting old premium bonds where at least I could have got my money back. If only.......... It seems impossible to co-ordinate action through all the owners of plots so I would like to explore this option and would appreciate the help you offer.
Thanks
74. Steve Maw08/04/2007 18:01:09
Hi,
I'm not sure how long ago English Land Partnership were wound up. The first I heard about all this was a very small article in the Daily Mirror, a few days ago.
We (my brother and I) bought 2 plots from them for the Scholes Site, near Cleckheaton in West Yorkshire, in May 2005.
Is anyone else looking into trying to claim back funds regarding this company? Our plots were Nos. 38 and 96.
We did pay the deposit via Visa, so I suppose that might be one avenue to follow as has been mentioned previously.
We are still paying the remainder of the cost via a Bank Loan. Can anyone suggest anyway we could stop paying this?
Regards
75. Mohammed Naeem09/04/2007 13:47:08
I have bought a plot in Sible Hedingham thru Hambrookandgreenstock. I was asked to buy a second plot but I refused, the initial deposits for both the plots British Pounds 495 each were paid by my master card and the amount of the bought plot was paid thru a bank draft.
I have the names and some kind of contact details of the people also I have got some email and their names and addresses where they were contacting me.
I would lik to join with a group who are in favour of taking a legal action etc.
76. Dave09/04/2007 19:02:07
I too bought 2 plots at Sible Headingham from Hambrook and Greenstock for £13200, after being very impressed with all the blurb, and the claims they made about associations with companies like Bose, Audi, Harrods Estates, Gleneagles and the Royal Opera House, I thought they really must be genuine, still, I've been conned again! I am looking through my papers and see I paid at least part of the purchase by credit card, including the deposit, so, having seen the above comments I am hopeful that something legal could be done, and would be most greatful for any advice and offers of combined legal action to attempt to rectify matters. Other scams going round at the moment are companies offering £60000 to £300000 per year after 3 years work, if you invest about 5 to 10 thousand or so (plus interest for loan etc.) to work with them as an independent representative, you lose all your cash and the business doesn't work at all (all my fellow reps got taken just the same, it just took ages for them to realise it, even the police thought they were genuine), I got taken like that. Also a lot of boiler room firms are offering a wide variety of business propositions helping you invest in the stock market, they do a lot of cold calling, hang the phone up! Please contact me soon to discuss any possibilities for legal action. Cheers, Dave
77. comment posted by [removed]10/04/2007 09:11:13
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78. Mr HA11/04/2007 03:12:16
RE: Comment 77
THANKS FOR THAT INFO.
Now where can I get documented fact of this?? Because according to my solicitor [John.Deane@fishermeredith.co.uk] in simple terms, that's who we should go after.
Because of various complex issue's we stand greater chance of recovering mainly due to evidence we will provide for each other by tackling in unit.
if you bought around hertfordshire why dont get in touch him ...their full contact details on their website ....
you can write to him ...coz initial 1hour consultation is free.
thanks
79. comment posted by [removed]11/04/2007 08:51:56
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80. Mr HA11/04/2007 09:38:48
RE:79, THANKS
IS THERE OTHER ANY OTHER OPTION OUT THERE?
81. SK Ibrahim11/04/2007 15:57:18
Hi I have bought a land from property spy in 2004, and I paid the deposit by HSBC Credit Card, and the rest thrugh the lawyer. Is there any body to advise me what I could do? thanks
82. Sanjay12/04/2007 14:28:47
I have bought plot of land from both
1 property spy
2 and hambrrok and green stock
Can anybody contact me on me email addresses to discuss further things
and how to proceed jointly:
email add is : smpunjabi@yahoo.com
We all have been cheated
Will wait for reply
Sanjay
83. Vijay12/04/2007 15:49:02
I bought a plot from PropertySpy in Oct 2004 and used Kidd Rapinett as
Solicitor.
I am up for the fight. Let my email address. Please
contact me as how we can get our monies back.
Thanks
84. Helen12/04/2007 16:40:38
I work for a company who offers a refund services for people who have been sold a product or service and are no longer able to get the services or the product that was promised.
We have already been contacted by a few people in the same situation as you and think we may be able to help get your money back. They made us aware of this forum and the fact that people in your situation do not no who to turn to for help.
Please have a look on our website at www.directrefunds.co.uk if you think you fit the criteria to make a claim please complete the enquiry form online.
85. Vijay12/04/2007 17:26:33
I just took time to have a look over www.directrefunds.co.uk website. All
you do is to chase the Credit Card company to get the fraction of the
money. And on top of it you have your unlimited % of fee/commission. This
leaves us with almost nothing.
I am looking for help to get most my
20k back, which I paid for a plot in Ruislip to Property Spy.
Thanks
86. PropertySCAM12/04/2007 17:42:44
Readers should note that PropertySCAM does not endorse the services of web sites such as directrefunds.co.uk which are posted in comments by other readers.
However, our reading of the case studies over at directrefunds.co.uk suggests at least the possibility of recovering a substantial proportion of any loss and not just "the fraction of the money" less commission suggested by Vijay.
If any of our readers decides to try the service, we will be interested to hear feedback on how things went.
87. Richard 12/04/2007 21:03:53
I have just emailed John @Meredith re comment 78 and hope to hear from him
soon. As previous said I bought 2 plots from Property Spy at Dunton Green
in Sevenoaks, our solicitor was the one and only Kidd Rapinet.
Hopefully something good will come from this if we all stand
together...why should we suffer when we have been innocently tricked into
something. Strange when we looked around buying land we knew that there was
"false sharks" out there but everything with Property Spy and Kidd Rapinet
looked all above board, after all you pay the solicitors fee and trust that
they act in your best interest...
If anyone wishes to contact us our email address is
samcor71@hotmail.com
Due to the fact that we have moved to Cornwall it really is difficult
knowing what is going on at site, but I will call any one back who leaves
their details.
Many thanks
Richard
88. Helen13/04/2007 12:00:01
Hi Vijay,
We do apply to credit card companies and banks to claim money back for people who have lost out if this is the only way left to get any money at all. We do not only claim for a fraction of the amount you paid, we claim for all of it as long as it is between £100 and £30,000.00. Yes we do charge a commission for the service but our fees only become payable if and when your claim is sucessful.
Surely if there doesn't seem much hope of you getting your money back at all and you did you use credit card services or finance to pay for your land its got to be worth a go. Whether you decide to try and follow that path yourself, use a company like Direct Refunds or even a solicitor if that is more preferable to you I wish you luck in your attempts to gaim back your lost investment.
89. Mr HA13/04/2007 21:15:09
Re: comment 88
Helen
Whats your take on this? Have also been conned
by these land bankers..if so are using your company to get ur money back?
What is your success rate? in a similar situation
I had a
look at your website & this my theory (and Iv learnt form my mistake
& it took me less then 5 min to come up with this...so i leave below my
thought for others in my situation to consider)
First of all taking
into consideration that this whole land banker scam came to light around
mid Jan07. So thanks prop..scam highlighting these facts on other post and
sort of gatherd us together in a little community.
So someone
thought hey why not!!!! I could make some money out these people with few
more promises to add to their investments.
Lets set up a website and
advertise it here and make some some money.
-Could not see any
detail of which authority regulates directreefund.co.uk.
Their
domain was just registerd a month ago on 01 March 2007 to Prudential
Buildings, Silver Street Doncaster South Yorkshire DN1 1HH.
Webiste
contact address HEAD OFFICE: Princes Square, Leeds LS1 4HY
Registered
Company House Address: 38 Edward Street, Wombwell, Barnsely, S73
0BH
They don't have much web ranking detail either.
Its a
another limited company means their not a person responsible for its a
company e.g propertyspy ltd
Although it menitioned they don't have
any solicitors then how are they going to assess all the legal
implication.
conculsion i think diirectfnud just writes letters to
company..and with regards to getting money back from credit card company..
it easy as soon as oue seller is found guilty then all you need to do is
write letter with evidence which we can do it ourselve.
You don't
use any solicitors so how are you going to get our money bacs...bank aint
gonna give us back something we consented to give to seller.
Ohh
something SMELLS A LOT...and I think its direct fund bullshit same as
property spy.
there's no such thing as free lunch so even if posting
Directfund info here their benefitting from it by getting into google
spider.
90. PropertySCAM13/04/2007 22:33:13
Don't worry Mr HA. Google won't spider any link left here by a commenter - they're all tagged "nofollow" so search engines will ignore them.
As for the rest of your comment, yes directrefund is very new, but we're not jumping to any conclusions about them yet.
91. comment posted by [removed]14/04/2007 22:15:17
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92. comment posted by [removed]17/04/2007 10:52:22
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93. No Thanks17/04/2007 12:49:48
HAMBROOK&GREENSTOCK,Have 2 Guys who own it,that and many other "boiler rooms",one owner has been named,the other,for now shall remain nameless,but let"s just say at the moment he is living in Brazil & with the millions he has made from the likes of us he is having a great time,i have informed the Authorities about him but for some reason they seem very slow in acting on the information i have given????.or is the net closing in on him,watch this space for more info when i get it!!!!
94. Richard 17/04/2007 15:22:34
Re 22
Thats a good question - last night all the details were still clearly shown on this page - why is all the details now removed, especially Property Spy and Kidd Rapinet?
Surely we have the right to name the agencies and solicitors that we have used.
95. JG17/04/2007 17:22:32
Re comment 93 above. This information is quite correct. One of the co-owners does not use his real name, the second, I believe, does.
96. hambrook26/04/2007 23:32:29
Please remove comment 33.
97. C Elliot05/05/2007 20:35:23
We bought two plots from English Land Partnership at Great Kingsill, Buckinghamshire. We made as many investigations as we possibly could and even spoke with the lawyers acting on behalf of ELP and were assured that this was a bone fide operation. We did receive registration diocuments from the land registry for the plots. We have also had contact from London Land and Property Exchange with reference to parties interested in taking an option on the site. The first one, Portman pulled out as not enough plot owners agreed to the sale. Their correspondence was extremely unprofessional and suspect. However, we are assured that another developer. Beevor Homes is interested. On contacting London Land we were assured, YET AGAIN, that ELP was working to develop their sites and not dealing in any further land sales and that their developments were on track! Ha ha!!! We can ill afford to lose our investment and will willingly join forces with anyone who puts up a fight. As we did not pay by credit card oir situation is desperate. This scum should be shot at dawn as they are making a fine living out of honest people. I am quite willing to pull the trigger! How do I contact any of your 'publishers' so that we can exchange information and join forces. Can I give a mobile number? HELP.
98. PropertySCAM05/05/2007 22:33:41
C Elliot - Join the Plot Owners Google Group. Plenty of like minded people there.
http://groups.google.com/group/plot-owners?hl=en
99. Malcolm Hewling07/05/2007 20:25:54
Yes - i am in the same boat. Bought 2 plots at Sible Hedingham and one at Marlow through Hambrook & Greenstock.
Paid deposit for land at Marlow so hopefully may have a figting chance of recovering. Not sure what else we can do. I have contacted the British Embassy in Switzerland and apart from forwarding Swiss soliticitors addresses, offered no other advice.
100. Rongkai Xu13/05/2007 15:58:17
Anyone bought through Glebe Estates for Cuffley site? Please contact me, rkxu3@yahoo.com.
I plan to prosecute them with the you. All the money I paid for the land is all my hard-working money, which is almost one year's living cost.
Let us put these scum behind the bars.
101. jai15/05/2007 21:55:12
Dear Property scam it looks like I came across your helpful site too late! I have just received notice that Glebe Estates have gone into administration and are being investigated by the FSA. I have been asked by the administrators to consider whether I want to retain the land plot that I bought last year in Broughton for £13000 or pursue a claim against Glebe as a creditor as they do not at present have sufficient funds or assets to pay money back in full. Any advice on this matter would be truly appreciated. I fear after reading all the statements above that I have lost my life savings to date. I will contact John Deane re my options and so thank all of you who have recommended him. Iam keen to join a united front to oppose the continuation of such elaborate cons and try and recover as much of our hard earned cash as possible.
Many thanks jai
102. PropertySCAM16/05/2007 09:21:19
Without knowing what funds are likely to be available to be paid out as dividends to creditors, how many other creditors there are and what their status is (secured or unsecured), it is difficult to say how to proceed. Your options:
1. Pursue a claim as a creditor of the defunct company. You may get some money back, but certainly not all, and it is difficult to predict how much, if any, you might get.
2. Retain the plot. It is an asset of sorts but is probably worthless anyway. On paper it may be worth a couple of hundred, but you'd be hard pressed to find a buyer for a single plot like that at almost any price. The land is not likely to be useable.
Neither looks good. But there may be a third way.
If you paid for some or all of the plot (even just the deposit) using a credit card, then the credit card company is liable for the full amount. You will need to engage legal help to get money back, but it probably can be done.
103. comment posted by [removed]16/05/2007 23:50:41
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104. Fino Palmeri17/05/2007 00:45:10
Glebe Estates
Hi Jai, I too purchased in Broughton 15 months ago. Who is John Dean?
please contact me 07989162774 or email me at finopalmeri@tiscali .co.uk
We need to fight for this cash together along with other investors we could hire the best solicitors and divide the costs, its got to be worth a try.
Dont rush a decision on claiming as a creditor you will lose eveything!!
Fino
105. PropertySCAM17/05/2007 09:16:50
Re 103, Mandrlands.com:
Yes, they do appear to be selling land at many of the former PropertySpy sites. Companies House has no record of a company named Mandrlands plc and the web site does not contain details of company registration number or registered office which, by law, it should.
The domain name is registered at a residential address in south Wales and that same residential address currently appears (although incorrectly spelt) on the Contact Us page at Mandrlands.com.
The site is hosted in Florida by Hostgator.
Other than the fact that the land offered for sale is the same land as formerly offered for sale by PropertySpy, there is no obvious PropertySpy connection, although several pages at the Mandrlands.com site do mention PropertySpy for some reason:
The site also mentions Halifax personal loans as a means of raising finance for purchases or debt consolidation and implies some form of formal relationship with Halifax. We have asked Halifax to confirm that they do indeed have a formal business relationship with Mandrlands plc.
106. Frank S18/05/2007 00:13:46
I bought two plots from propertyspy in harpenden / wheathampstead two years ago.
I received my first formal correspondence this morning following several attempts during that two year period, trying to get them to tell me when it would be finally presented to the local council for planning permission.
Their customer care manager wrote (not on headed paper!) that propertyspy are no longer involved in the plot sales business.
They go on to say that as the freehold owner of the plot I have complete freedom to manage my plot as I wish. I can choose to seek redesignation and planning permission or sell the plot, keep it, use it, or not, for any lawful purpose. They advised me that there are a naumber of independent professional advisers who will be able to assist me with this.
I am so angry - they know full well that as an individual with two plots, I have no chance of getting planning permission. the plots on their own are worthless.
We have unfortunately been duped. We stand no chance of getting our money back.
The only thing i can think of doing, is reporting them to the watchdog programme and hopefully they will televise it and make it public domain.
I look forward to any other views!
FS
107. Anon 223/05/2007 07:58:37
HAMBROOK & GREENSTOCK AG are a swiss company and is run by Liam Behan and Dan Robinson. They used to run a scam from Spain called Boilerhouse. This where they sell no existent shares. They are now setting up a scam with land in Brazil! (You have been warned). The other key people are Richard Deers and Murray Stein. The chances are very slim of you ever catching up with them
108. john muddiman23/05/2007 10:02:00
Has anyone had dealings with Rutherford Ross, through Nav Gill their Senior Land consultant, or the owner Shaun Singh? I bought a plot at Ashford in Kent for £12,500 and then was approached by Mr Gill to buy the last remaining plot for the sum of £7,500, which if purchased would speed up the application for planning consent. I would be grateful to hear from anyone else in a similar position.
109. DR25/05/2007 15:48:51
I bought two plots at sible headingham at a specail price for the DR's of 5500 each,the consultant on the email was david lanksheer,not heard anything from switzerland for some time now?? any help on this matter.they seemed very proffesional in there contact.
110. Anita25/05/2007 20:41:54
Hi everyone,
I bought two plots from Hambrook & Greenstock at Sible Hedingham. I think it is important that all the landowners get together cause then maybe we might have a chance of sorting something out. I have managed to find a few but if there are any others who want to link up. Please email me at neets35@aol.com.
Regards
Anita
111. Anonymousforobviousreasons27/05/2007 22:20:20
Re post 99 Malcom Hewling - Malcolm, you could do worse than contact the British Consulate, (Juliet Maric), in Alicante, Spain. or the British Embassy in Madrid. H&G closed their offices overnight and relocated to Marbella, where the same people set up a new company and are trying to forget their dubious past.
Re post 107 Anon2 - H&G was run from Alicante Spain by Liam Ryan (Liam Behan) and Danny Robson (Anthony Davies). These two people both have aliases. Richard Deers left the company before Christmas 2006 and Murray Stein is not resident in Spain. For what it is worth I have cell phone numbers for both these characters, although these are very easily changed. I am also in possession of a tape recorded telephone conversation with (sic) Ryan.
112. Jamal28/05/2007 13:11:14
My wife bought 2 plots of land from PropertySpy, one near harrow and one in sevenoakes, they are probably now worth nothing . BUT if all of us got together and applied collectively for a planning permssion, I think things may change and our lands won't be worthless. What do you thinks?
113. another muppet28/05/2007 14:50:26
We all need to stand together and take a Civil Action against PropertySpy umbrella, we have better chance.
Am started to use the Fisher Meredith solicitor mentioned in comment 69.
see also comment 104.
also why are so many comment say removed by request?
114. Hambrook29/05/2007 14:54:49
All,
I have a list of about 2-25 of us (emails , some mobis and some plot numbers)
Im all for pulling together but we are from Shetland to Cornwall and some are abroad...!
Most have lost about £5k several £30-45k and some like me much more (I lost £110k)
Some cashed in their pension, remortgaged their home or sold their business...
1/best option is by credit card attack
- need legal support
- approx 7yrs
- good chance of success (Paul Smith/credit card on propertyscam.com)
2/ Get london based solicitors with Swiss office to prosecute
- expensive
- 7-10yrs
- 50:50 chance of success
- unlikely to see a penny as thescammers are already 'cleaning the money etc
3/ Apply for planning as a group
- possible
- costs etc unknown
- H&G still own 25-50% of the sites but their landis not a block its spread
so how do we get planning for theirs and a buyer for ours ??
** We are all legally responsible for our land and its maintenance
- the local authorities are within their rights to take us to court for not paying maintenance on the land
- we coould be taken to court if anyone is hurt on the land (if it gets used as a dump and some kid/dog etc gets maimed on it we get jailed)...
4/ Might be easier to give it to charity/council for free to get shot of the on going liability....
H&G will cease to exist in dec (Swiss law, they cant exist under liquidation for more than 12months). Not sure what happens to their land after that..
5/ H&G are setting up a web for us to communicate (according to Andres Schenker the liquidator). Schenker was the Operations Director of H&G before they went into voluntary liquidation ...would you want them to see our progress if we did try to hunt them.. ????
6/ folk are also using the url below ..
http://groups.google.com/group/plot-owners/
** there are soo many people bleating on but so far nobody has a fix or even taken the lead to make things happen...!
what about
** create an alias for us
** assign 3-4 key folks to take this forward
** any other ideas
115. Snoop04/06/2007 18:07:30
Ok So we all baught Land. We do own that Land Dont we? Well so if all the land owners get to gether and carry on where Property spy left off and apply for planning Permission? ( iknow its green belt) even if we dnt get planning permission i know land price even without planning does increase! ( Green Belt)Well my plot of land was Purschased In st albans Harpendan rd " It would be a great place to live" any suggestions?
116. nathan05/06/2007 11:04:58
hai folks i have Purchased a land from ProertysPy in harrow i like know what has haPPened and why there isn't any resPonse from ProPertysPy to the customers can we all form togather to check what we can do about this can you Please advice on this many thanks
117. Amanda07/06/2007 21:19:31
We have just received a letter from Property Spy saying they have ceased its involvement in the plot sales market and that they are now an online property magazine. The reason why we bought our plots from them and not another land banking agency was because they offered the after sales service....nothing was ever mentioned that that service might cease at any point.....which they are now saying that it was said when plots were bought.
Has anyone else received a letter from them?
We have joined Direct Refunds with the hope that they might help, at least it is a no win no fee basis. Need to try and do something to regain the £30k we have lost
Anyone out there with any suggestions :- :- :-
118. nathan08/06/2007 08:14:08
hai i have bought some land using my HSBC MASTERO CARD is that i can do anything for refunding of my money.please let me know.my email address is sabari72@yahoo.co.in many thanks
119. Pete11/06/2007 19:20:33
I'm another "hoping to get a good investment" naive, robbed, taken-for-a-ride innocent victim, much like the rest of you. I purchased land from Enlish Land Partnership from three sites. Namely, Scholes in West Yorkshire, Kingsland in Buckinghamshire and Everton Mills on the border of South Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire. Some of it I paid via Bacs and some by Credit Card. It has been suggested to me to go the Law Society of England and Wales and also to the Office of Fair Trading. Has anybody else tried this or any other route to get their money back? I really could do with some of my money back as I am now in debt because of it!
120. ACR16/06/2007 01:51:12
replying to purchasers of English Land Partnership plots No. 45 Pauline McRory, No.97 C. Eliot, No. 119 Pete
I'm in the same boat, I did not pay by credit card, am ready to join forces with anyone needing to get their investment back
ACR - PLEASE REPKY VIA THIS SITE
121. smithy19/06/2007 08:21:33
To Amanda,
Property Spy closed down due to pressure from the FSA. However they have started up again selling land as before. Their new name is Insite Land Investments. www.insitelandinvestments.co.uk Same sales people, same MD - Andrew Beckingham, same building, same everything - just a new name. Give them a call. There is no difference whatsoever.
122. Micky Mouse20/06/2007 16:45:37
I used to work for peoperty spy know about most of their dealings. Although not in management i was able to see the sorts of profits made by this organisation and the way the board used to live. I'm sorry for your plight guys but The MD is seriously shrewd and I guarantee he's got the guile to still be based in The Same place in St Albans. As for planning permission the management would always contact the local planning department prior to releasing each site and despite constant negative comment would launch anyway.
Good luck.
123. Nick Harris28/06/2007 17:25:07
Anyone ever heard and approached the Real Estates called Gilbert Estates, www.gilbertestates.co.uk based in East Grinstead . Apparently the boss, name Mr Gilbert picked up the phone himself to answer the customer enquiries. They selling the Green Belt land plots so called Lake Developments in Chipstead, Sevenoaks, Kent and the buyer can buy the plots by instalments. I'm based in Dubai and one of the Real Estates here, used the same approach called, Right Choice Real Estates, www.thercdubai.com. Kindly investigate before they steal more expatriates money here whom mostly Britons.
124. john adams03/07/2007 10:52:06
iam very angry at the moment,as i have been away sorting my life out as i am about to be medically discharged from the army,so my life is in a mess at the mo,i thought i would see how townfield land investments is going on and WOW i could 
me and my wife have been conned.we were left inheritance money from my wife's dad who worked hard for it and he always said invest wisely,this is going to hit her like a sledge hammer as she said from day 1 i hope this goes ok. i am absolutely fuming,is there anything we can do.does anyone know of ways to get our money back.any help would be appreciated.i want to take these scams to hell and back.again any help really appreciated.
125. Brian Wal;l09/07/2007 21:20:28
I have purchased 2 plots at Sibble Heddingham from H&G does anyone know what the state of play is
126. saqib13/07/2007 22:02:13
i think all of us have been sold unauthorised collective investements and we all have seemed to have used kiddrapinet so whats are best bet please advise can we collectivley sue them or can we report them to the law society
whats our best bet as we seem to be all in the same boat!
please advise mr propertyscam lol
127. saqib13/07/2007 22:17:43
could you please forward the best course of action for propertyspy and kidd rapinet as they have failed in thier services .
please help
128. comment posted by [removed]23/07/2007 16:42:28
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129. andy anderson24/07/2007 23:49:11
i also brought land through hambrook & grrenstock,them tell me that it was has save as houses.got a plot in sible hedingham essex,even had to use the land registy,paid with debit card.really need help in getting these people done over ,i even offer to meet the guy who phone me face to face.what can i do
130. Zai25/07/2007 16:59:50
I got douped by property spy and rubicon estates... am looking for any way to get my money back. Heard that liquidators of Rubicon sites are helping investors of Rubibon to produce a management group that then seeks planning permission...
Lates thing is from Consolidated Land UK, who say thet they have goverment backing through the DTI, I have found no proof and have been told by the fsa that it still sounds like a scam but are looking into it...
personally believe that monies aught to be returned to investors and company directors etc prevented from ever setting up again.
Any help on trying to get a refund would be greatly appreciated.:-
131. Zai26/07/2007 16:59:42
just checked and have paid deposit by credit card so any help would be appreciated... p.s wouldn't that just entitle me to the deposit back? is there any way to get back the rest?
Any idea how soon we'd be contacted?
132. Amanda 28/07/2007 12:12:18
Direct Refunds - worthy or unworthy...
We have just received our documents back from them with a letter saying sorry cannot persue a claim, no reason why not we have paid by credit card just like they said
Makes you wonder are they working for the land banking agents and were they just stringing us along
Anyone got any further news on Property Spy
Maybe the best way forward is Watchdog....any more ideas
133. sanjay01/08/2007 10:40:33
Yes amanda i also received a letter from direct refunds that they will not persue the claim without anyreason.
lets chat and deside what should we do futher
it anybosy wants to discuss please inform them as well
so we can make a group.
134. Vijay01/08/2007 15:09:15
I initially felt it as a waste of time/energy to go to Direct Refund. They are complete waste of time.
Anyways, Check this url.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/720c885a-394b-11dc-ab48-0000779fd2ac,_i_rssPage=34c8a8a6-2f7b-11da-8b51-00000e2511c8.html
135. sanjay01/08/2007 17:03:14
Hi vijay
can u tell me know what r u doing now
have u got a solicitor?
let me know may be we can go collectively
136. Vijay05/08/2007 21:09:45
Hi Sanjay
As it stands now, I am waiting for FSA outcome. I am not sure whether solicitors or anyone else can help us in this aspect unless there is a case of violating the service. It is very clear that PropertySpy and others have changed their procedures and the services with the view of FSA.
I feel, going to solicitors is extra premium on top of our £20k/plot paid. You know how costly solicitors are in this country.
137. LEE06/08/2007 12:23:20
We have bought with ELP. Wombourne site. Anyone with info please contact us.
138. comment posted by [removed]07/08/2007 17:03:08
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139. Keith Dansen07/08/2007 18:20:35
I am in talks with a company that seems to offer these services.
e-mail is panicdhh@hotmail.co.uk
Contact me and I will forward details.
140. alan09/08/2007 17:07:14
Please can any body give me any info into crownland securities. I;m just about to invest some monet to buy aplot thanks.
141. Brian Devlin12/08/2007 12:49:17
Hi,
I happened across your web site after searching for land heritage. I prchased a plot from them in April 2006, not long after that they went into liquidation. I paid my deposit by credit card , which I will try and recover, but if any one knows the home address of either of the directors of Land heritage U.K., I would be very interested in making a personal call and discussing my situation face to face.
142. Will Smith12/08/2007 15:47:08
Ref 141
Company information is public domain, in normal working hours go:
http://www.companies-house.gov.uk/toolsToHelp/findCompanyInfo.shtml
Look here or talk to Companies House, they are very helpful.
143. HK13/08/2007 14:55:55
hello .
how do i get about in reclaiming money from credit card.
i.e do i write to the card issuer? any help please
144. PropertySCAM14/08/2007 13:00:09
HK - who sold you a plot?
145. comment posted by [removed]15/08/2007 12:02:42
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146. kunju15/08/2007 22:40:12
my family and i have purchased 5 plots of land through land heritage uk ltd. Does anyone know how to claim the deposits from the credit card companies? also has anyone got any info about the progress of any claims?
147. Brian17/08/2007 10:01:55
Ref comment 146.
I received a letter from Smith and Williamson ltd, liquidators for Land Heritage uk, on 13th August 2007,asking for details of my purchase i.e,copy of contract, price paid, land registration details etc. From what I can see, land heritage is trying to sue their lawyers for not advising them correctly regarding fsa rules and regulations. it would be interesting to hear if anyone who has bought plots from other companies are in contact with receivers/liquidators regarding their situation.
148. HK19/08/2007 00:45:30
RE:144
I bought it from property spy.
any help
149. Tharan19/08/2007 17:53:57
Hi
I bought a plot of land in Gatwick through Property Spy nearly 2 years ago.
I really shocked to know we are scammed by property spy. Can any one advise me.
150. Nickey23/08/2007 09:57:38
Reply to comment 108 by john,
has your Rotherford Ross purchase been completed
They were onto me to buy also ..... and were offering discounts.
I smelt a scam and told them that I am not interested
151. Amanda 26/08/2007 12:51:34
Has anyone else bought plots from Property Spy - using Kidd Rapinet as solicitors and using their credit card to pay deposit with a MBNA credit card
We are in the process of trying to make a claim and hoped that we might be able to get some more people together to make a stronger case
If you have used the above method and would like to join us trying to get your money back please contact me on 07929 583255
152. TAWA01/09/2007 01:53:29
Credit card: purchase from ELP - £3800 deposit for 2 plots at Milford in May 2004. Look forward to hearing from Propertyscam on how to reclaim.
153. humair nasim04/09/2007 13:11:44
hi
i have also bought land at laker rise banstead in 2005
my solicitors were Kidd Rapinet.
anyone else who bought it.
i have spoken to them today and they have said that legally land is ours
and confirmed that property spy is currently under invesigation and we should our complaints to them. but this for sure this solicitor was provided by them and are not very help ful- consider them fully involved.
i think we can apply our selves for planning permission.anyone knows web site for FSA
please call for advice or comment @ 00353866008392
154. comment posted by [removed]05/09/2007 11:48:27
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155. James Evans07/09/2007 17:48:49
I bought 1 plot of land at Southwold in Suffolk from Townfield Land Investments Ltd. Which I paid for partly by cheque and partly by credit card, if there is a chance of recovering this payment from the credit card company, how would I go about it.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks
156. CJ17/09/2007 22:16:11
Another fool who purchased land from Hambrook & Greenstock (Marlow Rd). A question for propertySCAM, Is there really any chance of reclaiming our money back? And if so, what is the process we should follow??
Would appreciate any help & advice.
Thanks
157. comment posted by [removed]22/09/2007 14:39:26
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158. pg02/10/2007 21:29:18
please help me. iam one of the victims of hambrook and greenstock scam. Is there any hope
159. Vijay08/10/2007 10:24:50
I bought my land at West Ruislip from Propertyspy. I kinda feel that we may not get our money back. Going forward, just wondering, is it difficult for us to go to council and apply for Planning Permission. I remember, Propertyspy did tried to apply for permission earlier and I believe, we only need to follow it up instead of wasting time.
If we go as a collective group, there are chances of getting permission from council and we all can be happy. Together we are strong.
Did anyone tried to find the status of West Ruislip area from council ?
Also elections are on the way. May be someone politically strong take this as an opportunity and help us in resolving this soon.
Any volunteers please.
Thanks
160. kiran 09/10/2007 21:22:39
Hi all, i have been out of touch with teh goings on with PropertySpy, i think i may have recieved emails from a few on this forum alrady about what we should about our land bought at Epsom or from Pspy... Well i think we all need to get together and try and get some sort of plan in action either to get planning permission ourselves or to maybe investigate in how we can get our money back... I have a contact who called me a few months back who i will chase up.... if anybody elase has bought at Bansted/Epsom feel free to mail me. .
161. Richard hatch10/10/2007 10:07:41
I bought a plot on the edge of St. Albans about 4 years ago. I spent about £15k. I have no idea who to contact or how too go about it. I feel stupid for being duped. Is their anyway collectively we could get all the owners together and try to get planning permission for affordable housing. Maybe PP would offer some sort of compromise regarding their land and access points.
162. AO16/10/2007 13:57:11
Hello, I'm also a victim of the hambrook and greenstock scam. I purchased the the plot using my Credit Card, Deposit & Full payment. Is it possible to get the money back and if so How?
Thanks you're doing a great job here.
AO
163. Paul Matthews23/10/2007 09:52:50
Hayden James and Land International
Does anyone own any plots bought through either of these two companies?
Please contact me pmatthews66@yahoo.com
164. Alice long27/10/2007 14:57:22
Can any one tell me if they have come across landmark developments ag. They are selling plots in whitely Fareham.
Sales man is Hugh Hershall. Has any one had any previous dealings with him?
165. Help Needed04/11/2007 17:47:42
Has anybody in this forum Bought land at Meadow Hall Site (sheffield) from PROPERTYSPY. It was sold as Brownfield Area with higher potential for gaining planning permission. 2 previous planning permissions for Hotel were rejectected and So if we get together we can hopefully get out of this mess.
166. Pete Equip05/11/2007 20:15:20
Got scammed by land heritage the liquidators will not respond to any emails or letters